1998 - 2018 by Linda Moulton Howe. All Rights Reserved. Interview: Terry Sherman, Rancher, Fort Duchesne, Uintah County, Utah:�In the beginning, we saw circles in the field before we had even purchased the property. That would be the first things we noticed, but paid no heed to them and just thought the grass had died there. THAT WAS IN 1994? Yes. WHAT KIND OF GRASS? Just pasture grass, most of it. SO THE GRASS IS DEAD IN A CIRCLE AND YOU SEE SOIL? It will be dry and you can set it afire where it was green the day before. It will burn, but it does not kill the roots, so whatever makes the rings is not hot enough to kill the grass roots. It does come back. SO YOU PURCHASED THE LAND. WHAT WAS THE FIRST DRAMATIC SIGHTING OR ENCOUNTER? The first year we were here around April 15, 1994, I believe. WHAT HAPPENED? Unidentified, Silent �Box-Shaped� Aerial Object We were calving cows and if you�ve ever been around that sort of thing, you know you�re up all night watching the cattle in case they have trouble. We were watching a particular animal and while she was in the process of calving, we noticed a light at the bottom of the next field from the ranch house. We thought it was an RV of some kind. It was small with a front headlight and we just assumed it was an RV, of someone else or our neighbor has a John Deere which is a little 4-wheeler. We thought it was him and maybe his cattle had gotten out of something. After the cow gave birth to her calf, we walked down there in the dark. We thought if it was him, it was kind of a joke, you know. We walked down there and when we got within 100 yards of it, it proceeded to move away. We could never hear any sound coming from it and it went some distance across very wet ground. It had really been storming about that time and went for several hundred yards ahead of us and then went over some trees. WHAT DID IT LOOK LIKE SPECIFICALLY? Just guessing back to the time, we�d say it was maybe 8 feet long, 6 feet wide and maybe 6 feet tall. WAS THIS THE RECTANGULAR-SHAPED OBJECT? No, it was almost like a square, slightly smaller at the top than bottom, but pretty well squared like a box. OK, SO THIS IS THE MOVING BOX. Yes. THE MOVING BOX WAS THE FIRST THING YOU SAW AND AS IT MOVED, WAS THERE A BEAM OR LIGHT COMING OUT OF THAT BOX AT ALL TIMES? Not at all times, but part of the time. THE LIGHT THAT CAME OUT OF THE BOX, WHAT WAS THE COLOR AND DIMENSIONS? The best I can explain it was that it looked more like sunlight than light. It would project out in front of it like you would project a spotlight, but it was more like sunlight where it was shining. It was illuminating everything just like daylight, but it was night and you couldn�t really see the beam projecting from the craft out to where it was illuminating. SO WHAT YOU ARE SEEING WAS AS IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT A SECTION OF GROUND THAT LOOKED LIKE THE SUN SHINING ON IT, EXCEPT ALL AROUND IT WAS DARKNESS? Yes. AND IN THAT SUNSHINE PART, HOW WIDE WAS THAT BEAM? It seemed to adjust all the way down to a handheld light and up to a very large area. LIKE? Several times it changed while we were watching the cow. We noticed that. We thought that was really odd. We thought at the time that maybe the neighbor had a big handheld spotlight � or whoever was on the supposed RV. WHEN YOU SAW THIS BEAM, DID IT WIDEN OUT 15 FEET? 20 FEET? I�d say at the most maybe 20 to 25 feet. DOWN TO SOMETHING NO BROADER THAN THE WIDTH OF A HAND? No, I wouldn�t say something that small. I�d say like a handheld flashlight. IN THAT BEAM, WERE COWS WHAT THE LIGHT SEEMED TO BE FOCUSED ON? No, there were no cattle in the area where they were. The cattle were in another field up from there and at the time as we got closer, we thought that someone was poaching deer or doing something illegal. They shut their lights off like they was set, or gave that impression. We really did not see them fix the beam on anything, on any particular thing for any length of time. WHEN YOU SAW THAT IT WAS BOX-SHAPED, WHAT WENT THROUGH YOUR MIND? We were trying to figure out what it was. We had never seen anything quite like it and as it began to move, we noticed there was no sound. Then we also noticed it was not leaving any tracks after a substantial distance. We followed it for probably 200 to 300 yards before we noticed that it was not leaving tracks. BECAUSE YOU COULD SEE WITH FLASHLIGHTS? No, we were walking along in the dark just following it. HOW COULD YOU SEE THE GROUND? We had a flashlight that we turned on to look to try to follow where it had went after it was gone. THAT�S WHAT I MEANT. YOU WERE TRYING TO FOLLOW ON THE GROUND WITH A FLASHLIGHT. But we followed it without flashlights for quite awhile. We walked down there without flashlights going so we could get up close and see what they were doing. AND THAT WHOLE TIME? We were going to scare whoever it was if it was not our neighbor. BUT THIS THING WAS IN THE AIR, CORRECT? Correct. AT WHAT POINT DID YOU REALIZE THAT THIS WAS NO LONGER A RECREATIONAL VEHICLE? It kind of sunk in at first, but not really. You don�t have the time to really analyze what you are seeing. And it was completely dark. It was a really black night. But it went across the top of several barbed wire fences and at first I thought they had drove through a barbed wire fence and mentioned to my nephew who was with me, �They drove right through a barbed wire fence!� Figuring out whether they were 2 feet off the ground, 4 feet off or 6 feet off the ground � I was assuming at the time that they were on the ground. So, I thought they drove right through a barbed wire fence. YOU STARTED FOLLOWING THROUGH THE PASTURE AND GOT TO THE BARBED WIRE FENCE AND WHAT DID YOU FIND? That the fence was untouched. UNTOUCHED. THAT MEANT THAT WHATEVER IT WAS HAD TO BE IN THE AIR ABOVE THE BARBED WIRE. Yes and shortly after that within 20 or 30 seconds, it had gone across the field, picked up a little more speed � I�d say to maybe 30 mph and then went over some poplar trees that are 30 to 40 feet tall. At that time, we saw the craft suspended in the air and that�s the time we got the best definition of size and shape against the skyline. ABOVE THE TREES. Right. AT THAT POINT, YOU ESTIMATED THE MEASUREMENT WAS WHAT? Maybe � just purely a guess � but maybe 8 feet long, 6 feet wide and 6 feet all maybe. SORT OF A SMALL BOX IN COMPARISON TO AVIATION VEHICLES? Yes. WAS THE ONLY LIGHT THAT EMANATED FROM THAT JUST THE BEAM OF LIGHT THAT LOOKED LIKE SUNSHINE ON THE GROUND? No, it wasn�t. On the back of the vehicle, there was a round area in the middle of the back of the vehicle � it was not really a light, but it would turn rosy colored. It was not bright by any means, but just a real dull rosy light color from time to time. OK, THAT�S ON THE BACK. AND THE SUNSHINE BEAM IS GOING FROM THE FRONT? Yes. THE DIRECTION IN WHICH IT WAS TRAVELING. Right. AS IT MOVED, DID YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF WHAT THE BEAM MIGHT BE LOOKING FOR OR EXPLORING KNOWING THAT PART OF YOUR RANCH? Once they started moving away from us, I felt sure they spotted us and were just moving away. YOU�VE ALSO GOT DISAPPEARING ANIMALS WHICH IS ANOTHER ASPECT OF THIS PHENOMENON. We feel the only animals we�ve found are where we interrupted them somewhere in the process. Every time we�ve had a mutilation, we�ve seen craft without exception. WHICH KIND OF CRAFT? We have seen the box shape. Another Flying �Box� THAT WAS APRIL, MAYBE A YEAR AGO OR TWO. WHAT WAS THE NEXT ASSOCIATION OF THIS BOX WITH WHAT I UNDERSTAND WAS A MUCH LARGER CRAFT? We�ve never seen the box in relationship to any other craft particularly. HAVE YOU SEEN THE BOX MORE THAN ONCE, THOUGH? Yes. WHEN THE BOX IS THERE, DOES IT ALWAYS SEEM TO BE SEARCHING FOR SOMETHING? My wife and I saw it once. It came up in the air behind us just a little while after sunset. We heard something behind us. We had been in the fields irrigating and we turned around and it came up to 100 to 200 yards behind us. It came up and was skylighted again for just a small, maybe 3 or 4 seconds. WAS THIS DARK OR LIGHT, MEANING WAS IT DAY OR NIGHT WHEN THIS OCCURRED? The time we saw it was around midnight, my nephew and I, when we followed it through the fields. The time my wife and I saw it was maybe 30 minutes after sundown � there was still light in the sky. SO YOU COULD SEE IT SILHOUETTED IN THE SKY? Yes. THE SHAPE WAS STILL CLEARLY THAT BOX? Yes. DID IT HAVE THAT SUNSHINE BEAM COMING OUT OF IT? No. JUST A MOVING BOX? Yes. WHEN IT DISAPPEARED THAT SECOND TIME, HOW DID IT DISAPPEAR? It just propelled itself along maybe 12 to 15 feet above a road that goes down there. The way the terrain goes, it went a short distance and then was out of line of view where we could not see it. Another Larger Unidentified Aerial Object WHAT WAS ANOTHER IMPRESSIVE EVENT? We�ve seen a bigger craft. We�ve seen one that has four holes, doors, lights � whatever you want to call them. We thought for a long time, they were just lights. But after looking with binoculars at a very short distance, you can see depth and see into the holes. YOU CAN SEE INTO THE HOLES? Yes. THE COLOR IN THE HOLES IS WHAT? It looks to be just lights � kind of an auburn to orange, maybe. IS THE WHOLE OBJECT GLOWING AN AUBURN ORANGE? OR IS IT JUST THE LIGHT INSIDE THE HOLES THAT COLOR? Just the light that�s inside the holes and when the doors are shut � or holes or whatever you want to call them � you can see a spiral covering that comes over them. It spirals open and spirals shut. When the doors are shut, we can see nothing. I know that sounds bizarre, but that�s how it is. THIS IS LOOKING THROUGH BINOCULARS? I�ve looked at it with a 40X spotting scope. I�ve looked at it with 15X binoculars. THIS IS WHEN THE OBJECT WAS STATIONARY IN FRONT OF YOU AT ABOUT HOW FAR DISTANCE? Closest I�ve been to it is about 400 to 500 yards. CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE EVENT � WHAT WERE YOU DOING AND WHAT HAPPENED WHEN YOU WERE 400 TO 500 YARDS AWAY? What had happened is that my wife had come home before me and she said she saw a craft fly over her car and come down by our house and went up over some cottonwood trees that are here and then up over a big ridge that is behind the house. We were talking about that and we noticed one of these large lights or holes or whatever open up down in the field, down below our house in the cattle pasture. We started watching them. There is some stuff outside my house that we use for a spotting scope to look for cattle or whatever. We set it up and watched it for quite a period of time. There are four windows. We�ve videotaped them. We�ve seen them many times. They stay in respect to each other, they never move. We had some real good video of it and we took it to a guy and he said it was destroyed and we lost it. WHO DID YOU TAKE IT TO? Just a guy who had a computer with an imaging system that he could blow it up or make still shots or anything out of your videotape. I told him I don�t want to get into it. I have no proof because I gave it to him. I never got a receipt. He just said he would see what he could do with them. I just got the feeling he was lying to me. He seemed real nervous about it and reluctant to talk to me. I don�t really know what his story is. DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE VIDEOTAPE THAT SHOWS THE SPIRALING OPENING OF THE HOLES? We have some that was taken from a much greater distance and by a kid who had never run a camera before and it�s not nearly as good. But putting on the right equipment, it might show more. HOW FREQUENTLY ARE THEY COMING AROUND YOUR PLACE? Oh, we won�t see them for three or four months and then we�ll see a large barrage of different things and then gone again. WHEN WAS THE LAST BARRAGE? We had a storm of them here about two months ago. WE ARE NOW AT THE END OF JUNE (1996) � ARE YOU EXPECTING THEM TO BE BACK IN JULY OR AUGUST? There is no way to tell. That�s part of the problem of getting any videotape. You can be out irrigating in the middle of the night or moving cows and you see something and it lasts for minutes or seconds or longer length of time, but it�s hard to be prepared at all times. Smaller �Box� Craft Going In and Out of Larger Craft But the main thing I think is that all of it is connected in my mind. On the one videotape we lost, we saw a craft coming in and out of the orange hole that I was talking about. That�s when we took on a whole new way of thinking. You could see it flying in and out of the openings. THE OBJECT THAT HAS THE OPENINGS IN IT � HOW BIG IS THAT OBJECT YOU HAVE SEEN THINGS FLY IN AND OUT OF? The holes in it are big enough to see the craft we�ve seen. We guess the craft at maybe 40 feet wide. At 400 to 500 yards, it�s spectacular. It�s quite enormous. We figured after we saw it above a field on the ranch that it appeared to be centered over that field and we tried to guess by measuring up the field. It�s about 100 yards wide and about 300 yards long. That�s the only real thing we�ve had to try to figure out how large it is. IT APPEARED TO COVER MOST OF THAT SIZE? Covered � all you see is just those four openings and when they close an opening, you can see nothing. You see the trees behind them or stars behind it or whatever is behind it. You might go a few minutes or seconds and they might have all four open or two open or one open or none open. ON THE VIDEOTAPE, YOU COULD ACTUALLY SEE A MECHANICAL OBJECT OF SOME SORT SPIRALING OVER THOSE ORANGE GLOWING WINDOWS OR HOLES OR WHATEVER? The craft we�ve seen is not a dome or a dish. It�s more like a craft with wings. It�s more like an enlarged,, over-sized totally different kind of a craft. WHAT SHAPE? It�s kind of rectangular in the back, similar to the little box-shaped craft, except it seems to have large protrusions off the corners like wings. But much larger. SO YOU ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING THAT IS ROUND? No. YOU�RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING THAT IS DIAMOND-SHAPED? We�ve seen something that is diamond-shaped, but it was a light. Above this ridge here one night, we were sitting there � in fact, that was the same night that we saw a large diamond-shaped light emitting kind of a red� I don�t even know how to describe it. We just sat and looked at it � it was just kind of a big, wide, wandering � I wouldn�t say a �beam.� I don�t really know how to describe it. It�s like water running in every direction down to the ridge, but it was diamond-shaped. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A BOOMERANG-SHAPED OBJECT? If you look at the back of these craft, it kind of gives that effect. AT THE BACK, IT LOOKS LIKE A BOOMERANG. Well, you�ve got those wings kind of coming off the bottom, if they are wings or whatever they are. WHAT ABOUT TRIANGLE-SHAPED? I think in the front, the craft kind of pinches down to smaller than it is in the back. It seems much wider in the back than it does in the front. BUT BASICALLY, YOU�VE GOT A VERY LARGE CRAFT THAT MIGHT BE UP TO 900 YARDS OR SO IN DIAMETER THAT IS BOX-SHAPED SORT OF? No, the lights and the craft are three different distinct things we�ve seen. The craft I�m talking about, the doors or windows or holes or lights � I can never see anything that has any structure around them. ALL YOU�RE SAYING IS THAT YOU ARE INFERRING THAT BECAUSE THEY DON�T MOVE IN RELATIONSHIP TO EACH OTHER AND YOU�VE SEEN THINGS FLY IN AND OUT OF THEM, THAT THEY MUST BE ATTACHED TO A LARGER STRUCTURE? We thought that in the beginning. BUT YOU�VE NEVER SEEN THE WHOLE SHAPE OF WHAT THESE FOUR ARE ATTACHED TO? I�ve never seen a ship associated with the four openings, ever. We have seen a craft I was describing a minute ago fly in and out of those holes. WHICH WAS BOX-LIKE? It�s narrower at the top than the bottom. It would be like drawing a square and tucking it in at the top to about half the width it is at the bottom and elongating it. It�s maybe � just guessing � 10 to 12 feet thick, 40 feet wide, and longer than it is wide. SO WHATEVER THE OBJECT IS WITH THE FOUR ORANGE HOLES HAS TO BE LARGE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE SOMETHING AT LEAST 40 FEET LONG ENTERING IT. AND YOU WERE RUNNING A VIDEOTAPE CAMERA ON THIS OBJECT WHEN ONE OF THESE SLIGHTLY COMPRESSED BOXES WENT INTO ONE OF THE ORANGE HOLES � YOU WERE RUNNING A VIDEOTAPE AND YOU SAW SOME KIND OF A CLOSURE SPIRAL DOWN OVER THAT HOLE WHEN THE OBJECT WENT IN? Most of the time, they will be standing wide open when the craft make their approach. We�ve seen them come in at a very slow speed, maybe 10 to 15 mph to a very high speed, I�d say over 100 mph when they go through the hole. HOW MANY AT ONE TIME HAVE YOU SEEN ENTER THE LARGE OBJECT? HAVE THERE BEEN SEVERAL AT ONE TIME? We�ve seen as many as three outside of the object at once. ENTER IT? We�ve seen them come in and out, three outside at a time. Moving Cattle To Prevent Mutilations ON THAT NIGHT WHEN YOU HAVE SEEN THESE OBJECTS ENTER AND EXIT, HAVE YOU ALSO HAD MUTILATIONS THAT SAME NIGHT OR FOUND THE NEXT MORNING? As bizarre as this sounds, it almost always occurs on the darkest night of the month. And on the night of all the activity, we�ve had cattle mutilations before and after. We�ve got to the point, we just immediately get horses and gather the cattle up. We�ve had twice cattle have disappeared a day apart. The day we see them the most active, we haven�t had a mutilation on that specific day. But we�ve had them on the day before and after. BY �THEY,� YOU MEAN THE CRAFT IN THE AIR? Yes. NOW, WHEN YOU SEE ANY OF THESE CRAFT IN YOUR SKY, YOU ARE SENDING PEOPLE OUT TO ROUND UP YOUR CATTLE? We do it ourselves. We just move them. WHEN YOU MOVE THE CATTLE, IS IT AFTER YOU HAVE MOVED THE CATTLE THAT YOU HAVE HAD THEM DISAPPEAR FROM WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN MOVED? No, if we get the cattle up by the house, there�s about a 50 acre field up here by the house. We move the cattle into there and we�ve never lost anything out of that field. CLOSE TO YOUR HOUSE. Yes. WHEN HAVE YOU NOTICED YOU HAVE HAD DISAPPEARING ANIMALS? I can�t recall the time exactly. It�s been not too long after we�ve been here, we had cattle missing. And we rode and tracked and tried to find them and never could find them. HOW MANY ALTOGETHER? We�ve had seven that we really documented as being gone and we felt something happened other than normal. SO SEVEN ANIMALS DISAPPEARED? HOW MANY MUTILATED? Three. (Seven more cattle mutilations would occur after this June 1996 interview.) WHEN DID THE THREE MUTILATIONS OCCUR? I can�t tell you exact times. One was in September and another was just before Christmas. EACH WAS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PRESENCE OF THESE CRAFT IN YOUR AIR THEN? Yes, we felt like they were, absolutely.� Pod Marks Formed Triangular Pattern in Pasture �We had a large number of pod marks in a real short period of time that we saw in the field. We noticed them because we were irrigating and we went down to see if the field had watered through and noticed them in the grass. WHAT WERE THE DISTANCES BETWEEN EACH POD MARK? AND ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A TRIANGULAR SHAPE TO THE POD MARKS? We saw one that was three 8-foot circles and they stay in the same relationship to each other. IS IT THE SHAPE OF A TRIANGLE? Yes, they are 25 feet wide between the two closest ones and 32 foot to the front one. SO 8-FOOT WIDE CIRCLES THAT ARE PLACED 25 FEET APART� In the back, or however you want to look at it. AND 32 FEET APART GOING FORWARD. Yes. We believe that�s the craft we were talking about that is 40 feet wide because when it�s flying away, you can see what appears to be a notch. I think it is just a place between these protrusions that hang down. THIS IS WHAT YOU�VE SEEN FLY INTO THOSE ORANGE HOLES? Yes. OR FLY OUT OF THE ORANGE HOLES? Yes. We saw 14 sets of those in one day. FOURTEEN SETS OF THESE TRIPOD MARKS IN ONE PASTURE? We saw them in one day in probably a 300 yard diameter circle. YOU NEVER SAW ANYTHING LAND OR TAKE OFF? We did not see anything land or take off, no. THEY WOULD JUST APPEAR? OR YOU DISCOVERED THEM ALL? We just discovered them, the tracks in the ground. THE ASSUMPTION WAS THAT THIS HAD OCCURRED THE NIGHT BEFORE? That�s what we would assume, because we were in the field until late that evening and early the next morning we found one. WHY WOULD THAT PARTICULAR FIELD HAVE SO MUCH ATTENTION, DO YOU THINK? We don�t know. That�s where all the cattle mutilations have come and where all of the disappearing cattle have come from. IS THERE ANYTHING ABOUT THAT PASTURE THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM THE REST OF YOUR LAND? It�s very secluded and has a big rock rim to the north. Then to the south there are a lot of trees and vegetation. You can�t see it from anywhere except straight up overhead. HOW MANY HERD HAVE YOU RUN IN THERE? How many cattle? Over 100. OUT OF THE 100, YOU�VE HAD 7 DISAPPEAR AND 3 MUTILATED? Yes. SO ABOUT 10% OF YOUR HERD YOU HAVE LOST IN THE PAST TWO YEARS? Yes. Daytime Mutilation December 1995 Occurred While Ranchers in Pasture The last cow was December 1995. My boy and his cousin, my nephew, had went down to gather the cattle and bring them up to another field. They went down a road and observed this cow maybe 100 yards off the road in a grove of trees feeding. they went by her and went down to gather the rest of the cattle maybe 100 yards past there, or a little more. When they came back by, he went up to make sure they had picked up that particular cow and she was mutilated. SO BETWEEN THE TIME THAT HE SAW HER EATING PEACEFULLY AND FINE IN THE FIELD, THEY WENT 100 YARDS? 100 yards down, maybe 150 yards � no more than 200 yards and back. IN WHAT TIME ELAPSED? I�d say no more than ten minutes. WHEN THEY CAME BACK TEN MINUTES LATER, SHE WAS THERE. She was laying there and she had a hole through here eye, through the center of her eye on her left eye. She had about a 1/4-inch hole through her eyeball, and yet her eyeball was not collapsed and no fluid was missing, and yet there was blood squirting out of the hole. WHAT ELSE? She had about a 6.5 inch hole right where her rectum would be and it went in about 18 inches. Everything in that was gone. When I got home that night �I could not get back down there until about 10 p.m. They called me on a cell phone and that was the quickest I could get down there. She still you could see it was like looking into a pipe. It was just absolutely cut perfect and everything was gone. WHAT ABOUT THE UDDER? It was not touched. What made me think they disturbed it is it looked like they pulled whatever cut that out of the cow, it had pulled the tissue in two. Like they had forcibly yanked it out, like if you took a vacuum cleaner and jerked it away from something, it would leave stringers of tissue. That�s how it appeared to me that night when we seen her. She still had fluid oozing out of her eye, but other than that eye, there was no blood. SO THERE WAS NO BLOOD IN THE RECTAL AREA AT ALL? The tissue appeared real pale and light pink instead of bloody red like you�d expect on a slaughtered animal. AND NO FECES? Oh, no, everything was gone. IN TERMS OF ANY OTHER TISSUE EXCISED FROM THE ANIMAL, THERE WAS ONLY THE HOLE IN THE EYE? Just the hole in the eye. NOTHING ELSE? No. ALL THIS APPEARED TO HAVE OCCURRED WITHIN 10 MINUTES OF YOUR SON SEEING HER ALIVE EATING, GOING 100 YARDS AND COMING BACK? Yes. WHAT DID THEY SAY? They were very upset. It scared them. He thought that maybe he had heard a whirring noise, but he was not sure and that�s all. They immediately came back to the house and called me. They called my wife first and she told them to just stay in the house and not go back. they were very upset about it. WHEN YOU GOT THERE AND YOU WENT OUT INTO THE PASTURE, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT WAS IN YOUR MIND AT THAT TIME? We just went with an open mind to look at the cow to see what we thought and what I described is what we saw, with a few additions. There was a spray of twigs off the tops of the trees � I assume off the tops of the trees. They were small twigs sprayed on the snow. She was killed in very fresh snow, 4-6 inches of new snow. There were no tracks to or from the cow, other than the twigs in the snow sprayed in maybe a 30 to 40 foot circle. There was a very strong and distinct smell around the cow. OF? I don�t know how to describe it. We�ve talked about it. It smelled like a real heavy dank chemical-type smell. On the side of the cow, there was a circle on her side about 1/4-inch thick of what appeared to look just like apple jelly or something like that. It was kind of an orangish translucent jelly-type substance on her side. We noticed that early in the morning at daylight when it was cool and as the sun started hitting that material, it just disappeared. If you touched it with your fingers and rubbed it, it just was gone. HOW SOON BEFORE OR AFTER THAT EVENT HAD YOU SEEN ANY OF THE CRAFT? We had seen some activity the next day. We hadn�t seen a lot when the cow was mutilated, but the next night there was a lot of activity. LIKE WHAT DID YOU SEE? The lights in the air, unusual movings about in the sky. ANY CLOSE ENCOUNTERS WITH ANY OF THE CRAFT? The closest we�ve been, other than the little breadbox-looking thing we described � has been about 400 yards. The night of all the activity, the most we�ve seen when we saw them coming in and out, I tried to walk closer. I went out into the field and I started approaching within my mind to get as close as I dared. As I approached it � there was a big bluff there and it was covered with snow � a craft came out with no lights on and was totally black and it was skylighted against that snow and it came to approximately 300 to 400 yards of me. It frightened me, so I came back to the house. DID YOU FEEL OR SENSE ANYTHING? Yes. WHAT? Strong uneasiness. I set and looked right at it. I could look right at the front of the craft and I felt like whoever was navigating the craft was looking back at me at the time. They set totally motionless, suspended in the air like you had hung them on an invisible string and there was no sound and no movement and they just sat there. ANY LIGHTS AT ALL? None whatsoever. JUST DARK. Yes. I could never have seen the craft if it had not been backlighted against the snow. Telepathic Communication from Beings Inside Mysterious Aerial Object? DID YOU EVER IN ALL OF THESE EXPERIENCES IN BEING OUT IN THE PASTURE FILMING, HAVE YOU EVER HAD WHAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER TO BE ANY KIND OF TELEPATHIC COMMUNICATION FROM WHATEVER THIS IS? I don�t know if you would call it a telepathic. I�ve had some extreme feelings and so has my wife. WHAT? Of just extreme uneasiness, as best I can describe it. HAVE YOU EVER HAD ANY PICTURES COME INTO YOUR MIND OR IMAGES OR SYMBOLS OR THOUGHT VOICES? Well, that�s a hard one to really answer, I guess, as positively yes. IMAGES? Yes. WHAT KIND OF IMAGES? Similar to what we�re talking about, but it�s upsetting and you don�t understand what you are seeing and the human mind can play tricks on you in the middle of the night. BUT THAT WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR ME TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF IMAGES HAVE COME INTO YOUR MIND? REMEMBER, I�VE TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE AND WE�RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT�S HAPPENING. I don�t know as I�d describe it as that, but maybe just almost like nightmares. TELL ME WHAT THE NIGHTMARES ARE LIKE. Of people, people you don�t know, talking or moving about and just little fragments. OK, BUT WHAT ARE THEY DOING? Nothing really in particular. It�s like having a nightmare with just little bits and fragments. ARE YOU SEEING HUMANS? OR ARE YOU SEEING OTHER TYPES OF BEINGS IN THESE NIGHTMARES? Humans. WHAT ARE THE HUMANS DRESSED LIKE? the one I remember was a very large man with a full beard and he was dressed in what I would say was a military-type dress. WHAT COLOR WAS THE MILITARY-TYPE DRESS? Kind of a charcoal to dark grey. DID IT HAVE ANY SYMBOLS OR COLORS ON IT? Yes, it did. WHAT WAS THE SYMBOL? It had a red square on his collar outlined in gold. A RED SQUARE OUTLINED IN GOLD. COULD YOU SEE ANYTHING INSIDE THE SQUARE? There was something inside the square, but I could not tell what it was. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN ANYTHING THAT RESEMBLED A SYMBOL WITH WINGS, OR A SPIRAL? There was something inside the square on his collar, but I couldn�t see it. It was very small. And like I said, this was like a nightmare. Whether it�s fiction or reality � something my mind conjured up � I have no idea. WHAT DID HIS EYES LOOK LIKE? I would just say the best way to describe it is that he was a very large man. MEANING FAT OR TALL? Big, large arms, large legs, big-chested. TALLER THAN YOU? Yes, much taller than I am. GIVE ME AN ESTIMATED SIZE? Larger than 6 feet, smaller than 8 feet. A large man. WITH WHAT COLOR HAIR? Dark. BROWN? Dark brown to black, I would say. A BEARD TO MATCH? Yes. WAS IT LONG OR SHORT? Well kept, well groomed. Full beard. YOU ARE SEEING HIM IN RELATIONSHIP WITH OTHERS WHO LOOK JUST LIKE HIM? No. I see him talking to another man that was a small man with fine features. DESCRIBE THAT MAN. It sounds ridiculous, but his ears tipped back more than what ours do. Maybe a little larger eyes than what we have. Maybe a smaller mouth, but very sharp chin and cheek bones. THE NOSE? Fine, real fine-featured man. WERE THERE GROOVES ALONGSIDE THE NOSE? He was extremely fine-featured and extremely high cheekbones. ANY HAIR? I could not tell because he had a hat on. WHAT KIND OF A HAT? Kind of a cap-looking affair. WAS IT LIKE A 1940S WHERE THEY WOULD WEAR THE TIGHT LEATHER OVER THE TOP OF THE HEAD SO NO HAIR WOULD SHOW? No. The closest thing I could say was like in World War II where the Germans wore the wool caps. His was similar � high in the front and had a bill on it. HAD A BILL ON IT. Yes. YOU DID NOT SEE ANY HAIR BECAUSE OF THE CAP? Right. THE NOSE ON THIS MAN YOU WOULD NOT DESCRIBE AS BEING LARGE AND HOOKED? No. IT WAS STRAIGHT? Straight and very fine-featured. THIN? Yes. COULD YOU SEE THE COLOR OF HIS EYES? Lighter than the other man. DID THEY BOTH SEEM TO HAVE PUPILS AND IRISES? The large man looked almost exactly like us, except for his size. AND THE FINER-FEATURED MAN, COULD YOU SEE A PUPIL SURROUNDED BY AN IRIS? No, I could not. WAS THE EYE ALL ONE COLOR? It appeared to be. WHAT COLOR? A light brown, maybe. ALL LIGHT BROWN. NO WHITE, NO BLACK, JUST ALL ONE COLOR. That�s the best I recall. WAS THE SHAPE AND SIZE OF THE HEAD LARGER TO THE BODY SIZE THAN A HUMAN HEAD WOULD BE? Possibly. WAS HE WEARING ANY PARTICULAR KIND OF CLOTHING? Both appeared to be in a uniform type dress. WAS IT THE SAME? No, it was not. His (small man) was a real deep khaki type color.� At this point, Mr. Sherman said it appeared as if the two men were arguing. Suddenly, he thought he could hear their voices and had the impression that some part of himself was suddenly inside the craft briefly where the two men were arguing and could see himself down on the ground below the craft as if he were in two places at once. Then, he was back on the ground looking up through the lighted hole where the two men were and could hear one of them say, �It wouldn�t do any good if we tried to explain to him because he would never understand what we are doing.� That �nightmare� has haunted Mr. Sherman ever since. By 1996, the Sherman family wanted to escape all the high strangeness of their Utah ranch near Roosevelt, and agreed to sell their property to Robert Bigelow who by then had created the National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS) based in Las Vegas, Nevada, to study phenomena such as cattle mutilations and unidentified aerial objects. Here is a brief article from �Paranormal Hot Spots� by Stephen Wagner: