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HOT OFF THE PRESS James Carrion speaks on skinwalker
« on: February 08, 2011, 03:37:38 PM »
Tuesday, February 8, 2011
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It was after uncovering some disturbing information about the Skinwalker Ranch owned by Robert Bigelow that I began to have doubts about the real purpose behind the MUFON-BAASS project. Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS) is an aerospace company allegedly involved in discovering novel and cutting edge space technologies and contracted MUFON in 2009 to perform UFO investigations on its behalf. In the following email to the MUFON Board of Directors, I summarized my research findings and my misgivings about any further relationship with BAASS.


Note that this email has been modified to remove identifying information about the confidential source here called Brad Newton who is still under a non-disclosure agreement from his work with the now defunct National Institute for Discovery Sciences (NIDS), also an organization founded by Robert Bigelow.


CONFIDENTIAL – DO NOT FORWARD – FOR MUFON BOARD ONLY – HIGHLY SENSITIVE


Gentlemen,


Since taking on the MUFON International Director position, I have been in observation mode trying to understand the true nature of the UFO phenomenon. In 2007 I personally financed a “meeting of the minds” in Fort Collins to try and gain insight into what the status quo was in Ufology. I have personally investigated high level cases such as Kinross and the California Drones and have found myself on the receiving end of a constant flow of disinformation.  What I have observed over the last three years seriously disturbs me.


It is my belief that there are forces at work here that “manage” Ufology for their own purposes. When an organization like MUFON starts to operate outside of the box “they” intend to keep us in, then these controlling forces move in to tighten their grip. Case in point is MUFON’s relationship with BAASS. Although John (Schuessler) knows who BAASS’ sponsors are, I am no longer comfortable with the MUFON-BAASS relationship. Let me explain in detail.


Just last month, I financed my own trip to Utah with Dr. Frank Salisbury who was looking to republish his book “The Utah UFO Display” and was looking for new material to add. Since the book covered the Uintah Basin in North East Utah where the Bigelow Skinwalker Ranch is located, Salisbury sought and was denied access to the Ranch. I also asked and was denied access. Instead, we spent our time interviewing new witnesses around the Ranch. Our contact person was Brad Newton (real name withheld) who has researched the area for many years. What I learned from Brad is what has led to the doubts I now harbor.


Brad worked with NIDS on the ranch and mentioned that after an alleged sighting, metal rods were found on the ranch that were sent to NIDS for analysis. Brad was in contact with a NIDS scientist who informed him that the rods were made from Element 115 and did not originate on earth, and that he (the scientist) had worked at Area 51 on a reverse engineering project where they had accumulated 300 pounds of this material. This in a nutshell is the Bob Lazar story.


Through Dr. Salisbury, we were able to interview the brother of the original owner of the ranch who sold it to the Shermans who subsequently sold it to Bigelow. The ranch owner’s brother was adamant that there was no UFO or strange activity on the ranch prior to the Sherman’s purchase, contrary to what was discussed in the Skinwalker Book and that he (the owner’s brother) had personally received a call from Bigelow trying to convince him otherwise. I found this to be extremely odd and disturbing. I also subsequently learned of a business relationship between Lazar and Bigelow (documented in the MUFON archives).


What I see in the MUFON-BAASS relationship is active management of MUFON’s work, despite assurances from BAASS otherwise. By carefully controlling the purse strings with each contract evaluation period, they are ensuring they receive a constant flow of information from MUFON while also making sure that MUFON does not end up with operational funding to stabilize its long term financial well being. Who’s on the receiving end of this information? Since that will not be disclosed to MUFON, I cannot state for sure, but I don’t feel confident that the information is being used for what MUFON was originally informed.


If you were able to listen to my speech at the Symposium or read my paper in the Proceedings or read my blog, then you know where I stand on the active management and control of information on the part of governmental or quasi governmental forces in our work. Conspiracy theory? Yes. Plausible? Yes.


MUFON has an obligation to the public to fulfill its mission. I for one believe that we cannot adequately do so as long as we are actively managed, nor can I in good faith stand by while this is happening. Those are my personal feeling however and as such I don’t want to speak for the organization when making the decision to renew or terminate our contract with BAASS. I leave it to the Board for a decision on this.


I have already stated my decision to step down as the International Director, and in large part my decision has been based on my research. I will continue to work within MUFON and for MUFON’s long term viability, but I will not stand by and be managed. My time will be better spent actively uncovering the trail left by the forces of disinformation and my efforts focused on uncovering the truth. In the end that is all that is important.


Sincerely,
James


John Schuessler responded with the following email:


James,


I am concerned for you if you are basing decisions on what Brad has said.  It is not my intent to argue the point, but the whole Element 115 thing is pure bunk.  Don't take my word for it, just ask any scientist. Both CSICOP scientists and MUFON scientists like Stanton Friedman have thoroughly debunked Lazar's Element 115 story.  If you could get Element 115 (or Elements 114 and 116) to be stable enough to make them into rods, they would make extremely heavy rods.  I can find no one except Bob Lazar and now Brad that believes there are Element 115 rods anywhere, let alone dumping them out on the ground in an uncontrolled environment on a ranch in Utah.


As for the rods found on the Skinwalker Ranch, I was on the NIDS Scientific Advisory Board back in those days and can verify that rods were found.  They were not heavy Element 115 rods.  Instead, they were thin carbon rods that are used in arc lamps to make very bright lights in field operations.  I have personally used this type of rods in arc lamp operations many years ago.


John


My email response to John follows:


Hi John,


That is my point exactly. Lazar and element 115 are bunk but it appears to me that the NIDS scientist was promoting it to Brad. Why? I found Brad to be honest in his demeanor and he is held in high esteem by everyone we came into contact with including many of the witnesses we interviewed. Brad has no motive for promoting the Bob Lazar story but it was communicated to him nonetheless.


Actually, it was the former ranch owner’s brother’s assertions that cemented for me that something is amiss. The Skinwalker ranch story did not play out as described in the book and that coupled with us being denied access does not add up for me.


I can only conclude that BAASS is at someone else’s beck and call. The Board does not need to agree with me on this, which is why I am leaving the contract renewal response to the Board.


Best wishes,
James


It was after this email exchange that the MUFON Board bypassed me as acting MUFON International Director and secretly engaged BAASS in renegotiating the MUFON-BAASS contract while purposely keeping me out of the loop. As you can see from the email exchange, this secretive communication was altogether unnecessary because I deferred to the majority decision of the MUFON Board.


Unethical behavior on the part of the MUFON Board aside, the following questions still beg for answers: What is really happening at the Skinwalker Ranch and why are serious investigators being denied access? Why was a NIDS scientist pushing the Bob Lazar story which is a known farce? Why does the book “Hunt for the Skinwalker” describe paranormal activity present on the ranch prior to the Shermans purchasing it when a close surviving relative of the former owner denies such activity? Why is the truth about activities on the ranch being censored through non-disclosure agreements?


It appears that once again in Ufology there are more questions than answers; common fare for a field where the waters are muddied but never cleared. If you consider yourself a truth seeker then perhaps it is time to take a stand against these forces of ambiguity that seek only to obscure the truth rather than bring it to light. It is time to promote truth and not mystery in a field that has too many mysteries already. It is time to reveal the truth by not compromising ethics or principles or by allowing truth to be censored. It is time to stop falling prey to fear and lies but instead to hunt the Skinwalker forces of deception in their own territory. Who is up for a hunting trip?

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Re: HOT OFF THE PRESS James Carrion speaks on skinwalker
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2011, 04:02:05 PM »
wow this demonstrates to me how little James knows about whats occuring on the ranch . I also happen to personally know who is secret "Brad" contact is, and i pesonally spoke with him at length.

James also seriously misconstrued Frank Salisbury's findings which point to a opposite conclusion to James. After speaking to Frank himself , he told me 4 months ago he was confused and surprised at James's conclusions. He said he thought James sounded paranoid and as if trying to fufill an agenda rather than look at the whole truth. again was shocked by his contradictory conclusion on skinwalker.

The odd thing is James isnt telling the full story. The events that happened at skinwalker DID happen, they did NOT happen however prior to the Gormons moving onto the property or prior to the Bottle Hollow Resevoir being built. (yes there is some odd coorleation). Also the rods story IS true, and yes i heard the same wacky explination. I think "Brad"..lol... was fed this line of disinfo twice. The first time he was told he could not have the LENT object back, and that it was nothing more than carbon rods to an old isulator or somthing... the second time he claimed a "area 51" scientist working with NIDs called him up (in other words a stranger) and told him the whole element 115 line.... which he bought hook line and sinker. Keep in mind "Brad" is NOT an acitive NIDS/BAASS team member but rather an outside advisory source for NIDS at one time and who did have full access to the ranch an surrounding areas prior to NIDs arrival.

What i dont want to see is skinwalker further discredited, as this was NOT the finding of Frank Salisbury/James's own partner and author of UFO Display although the two do agree that there are many inconsistancies in Knapps book. Keep in mind neither Frank, nor "Brad" nor anyone else was allowed onto the ranch property in 2009 when they requested access... and it is guarded by armed 24/7 by paid ex military policmen everyday of the year.

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Re: HOT OFF THE PRESS James Carrion speaks on skinwalker
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2011, 06:27:55 PM »
and as anticipated ATS (abovetopsecret) shut down my thread and deleted it.   

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Re: HOT OFF THE PRESS James Carrion speaks on skinwalker
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2011, 09:16:18 PM »
Hi!

First of all, thanks for this new information about the Skinwalker Ranch. I'm still intrigued by the many stories I heard about it, and I think it's one of the most fascinating aspects of the Alien/UFO-complex.

But regarding the deletion of your Thread on ATS - I just was over there and was able to read it, so possibly - have no idea, but you should take a second look there, especially because there's someone who signed on just today, and who pretends to be James Carrion!

But see for yourself:


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posted on 8/2/11 @ 20:33     this post   
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Hey Hiii_98, I don't think we have had the pleasure of meeting. Can you tell me something about your background and your relationship to the Ranch?

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread660717/pg1#pid10527707

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Re: HOT OFF THE PRESS James Carrion speaks on skinwalker
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2011, 09:19:10 PM »
Hm, I'd be very careful what you respond to that person, because he could be anybody else.

good luck and kind regards,
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Re: HOT OFF THE PRESS James Carrion speaks on skinwalker
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2011, 09:23:08 PM »
Hm, there's something strange, according to his profile, he's already posted 3 posts, but I'm able to find only one post of that jamescarrion, and that's the one in your thread.

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Re: HOT OFF THE PRESS James Carrion speaks on skinwalker
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2011, 02:42:52 AM »
Well you have to be careful supposebly mr. Skinwalker was apprehended at the ranch. And he wanted "in" with the security @ the ranch. And he is now a "mole" for them, becareful watchu post on here.

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Re: HOT OFF THE PRESS James Carrion speaks on skinwalker
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2011, 03:33:14 AM »
James C. gives 3 reasons to dismiss the claim that Skinwalker Ranch has paranormal activity:
•  That he and Frank Salisbury sought access to the Ranch and it was denied.
•  That some person named “Brad” (who worked with NIDS on the ranch) was told by a NIDS scientist that the rods were made from Element 115 and did not originate on earth.
•  That the ranch owner’s brother was adamant that there was no UFO or strange activity on the ranch prior to the Sherman’s purchase, contrary to what was discussed in the Skinwalker Book.

These 3 reasons are really not sufficient to reject the claim.
•  Denial of access to the ranch is not evidence of absence of activity.  The owner of the ranch has the right to deny access (for whatever reason). Just because James was MUFON International Director at the time, does not mean that he should get access to anyplace he wants.
•  The element 115 rod story is simply a Straw man Fallacy argument.  “The Hunt for the Skinwalker” book never mentioned this story or used it as evidence for their claim that the ranch was experiencing anomalous activity.  I never heard this story until James brought it up (and for good reasons since it is totally bunk with low credibility). Thus, bringing this bunk story as evidence that there is no paranormal activity going on in the Ranch does not make sense.
•  It is true that the previous ranch owner’s brother has stated that there was no activity on the ranch prior to the Sherman’s purchase.  But that is just one person who rarely visited the ranch. In the updated book by Frank Salisbury (Utah UFO Display), Frank interview neighbors who corroborate the claim that UFO’s and paranormal activity were seen in that area before the Sherman’s purchase took place.  I believe that Hero and Skinwalker also have interviewed the neighboring ranches and confirmed that activity has been seen in that area for years.  Thus, I don’t understand why James gives so much evidentiary weight to the brother of the previous ranch owner without considering all the evidence from the neighbors who live there.

I am not as concerned about the motives and behavior of Mr. Bigelow towards the Ranch.  I am more interested in determining whether there are indeed anomalous phenomena occurring in this Ranch and surrounding area, what they are, and whether we can learn anything from it.

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Re: HOT OFF THE PRESS James Carrion speaks on skinwalker
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2011, 08:53:18 AM »
Well you have to be careful supposebly mr. Skinwalker was apprehended at the ranch. And he wanted "in" with the security @ the ranch. And he is now a "mole" for them, becareful watchu post on here.

that is a common rumor i have heard.. but unfounded.  and no i cannot comment on those allogations other than they are mostly NOT true.  Even Hero has had suspecions of me at one time! 


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Re: HOT OFF THE PRESS James Carrion speaks on skinwalker
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2011, 08:54:22 AM »
Hi!

First of all, thanks for this new information about the Skinwalker Ranch. I'm still intrigued by the many stories I heard about it, and I think it's one of the most fascinating aspects of the Alien/UFO-complex.

But regarding the deletion of your Thread on ATS - I just was over there and was able to read it, so possibly - have no idea, but you should take a second look there, especially because there's someone who signed on just today, and who pretends to be James Carrion!

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posted on 8/2/11 @ 20:33     this post   
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Hey Hiii_98, I don't think we have had the pleasure of meeting. Can you tell me something about your background and your relationship to the Ranch?

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread660717/pg1#pid10527707

i've been speaking with James, perhaps we will talk by phone next so i can confirm his identity, but we are NOT speaking via ATS

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Re: HOT OFF THE PRESS James Carrion speaks on skinwalker
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2011, 08:59:52 AM »
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I believe that Hero and Skinwalker also have interviewed the neighboring ranches and confirmed that activity has been seen in that area for years.  Thus, I don’t understand why James gives so much evidentiary weight to the brother of the previous ranch owner without considering all the evidence from the neighbors who live there.

I am not as concerned about the motives and behavior of Mr. Bigelow towards the Ranch.  I am more interested in determining whether there are indeed anomalous phenomena occurring in this Ranch and surrounding area, what they are, and whether we can learn anything from it.

thanks Tony!

what i find insteresting is that Mr. Big is so adament about there being activity on the ranch and almost calling the previous owner a liar for not experiencing such phenomona.  Either A. Bigelow is pushing propaganda and lies or B.  he knows for a FACT something is occuring on the ranch and is as shocked as I am that the previous owner had not had contact during her tenure prior to the Shermans. Keep in mind the neighbors DID report activity on the ranch... and yes interviews by not only Frank S. but myself and Hero have confirmed such stories. This does NOT mean the previous owners where lying, I believe for whatever reason the activity escalated once the revevoir (bottle hollwo) was completed and Sherman moved onto the ranch.

Yes the rods story is true, however what they were is up for debate, that may possibly have more evidence later this year....  (or not..)

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Re: HOT OFF THE PRESS James Carrion speaks on skinwalker
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2018, 05:35:58 PM »
This is what I'd like to speak with you Ryan...
I left my info on FB

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not sure if i got it.  Please try sending again.  Or private message me here.